Desperate Programmers

It’s been a while - MultiNos Release

Mighty Max — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:41:53 +0000

It’s been a while since I was around. Left MMOs for the good.
Some weeks ago a friend showed me a game called NosTale and i’m a bit hooked up on it

As a comeback i want to shar MultiNos with you.
MultiNos allows you to run as many instances of the game at the same time under the same windows user as you want and you computer is capable of. Run shops, Raid and participate in your Fam-Meeting all at the same time.

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Which are the things?

Mighty Max — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:47:06 +0000

Now that you know how the basePrize is calculated you can tell what any items would need to be build.
The exact how-about shall be described below for any items without individual recipes:

In the first step the basePrice is transformed to some performanceGoal. It takes a few variables from the current gameplay settings, but here i will only put them as constant as they don’t seem to be in the focus of a change anytime soon.

extendedPrize = Extended_Baseprice = ( (128 / 255.0f)^2 + 0.5) * basePrize* 0.6;
This is slightly below 0.45 * basePrize, but not exactly.

And from this the performanceGoal is described with
performanceGoal = extendedPrize * (log10(extendedPrize ) / 14 + 0.5)

From here it is a simple algorithm to get the needed parts:

for each part in partlistForItemType in reverse do

  if (Value(part) < performanceGoal ) do

    performanceGoal -= Value(part)

    Add part to list

    Iterate with same part again

  end if

  Move on with next part

end for

Let’s see an example:
The Tangent Weapon Part 10
WP 10 has a .def basePrize of 38400
-> extendedPrize = 17325
-> performanceGoal = 17325 * (log10(17352) / 14 + 0.5) = 13907

Possible parts are the PartList of Chems.
The most valuable from them Gamonin with a basePrize of 5760:

List -> Gamonin ;
performanceGoal = 13907 - 5760 = 8147
NextPart: Gamonin

List -> Gamonin, Gamonin
performanceGoal = 8147 - 5760 = 2387
NextPart Gamonin

Gamonin Value > performanceGoal -> Next Part Adiclovin
Adiclovin Value (2880) > performanceGoal -> Next Part Trisol

List -> Gamonin, Gamonin, Trisol
performanceGoal = 2387 - 1440 = 947
Next Part Trisol

Trisol Value > performanceGoal -> Next Part Strastin

List -> Gamonin, Gamonin, Trisol, Strastin
performanceGoal = 947 - 720 = 227
Next Part Strastin

Strastin Value > performanceGoal -> Next Part Tripantol
Tripantol Value (360) > performanceGoal -> Next Part Tiberal

List -> Gamonin, Gamonin, Trisol, Strastin, Tiberal
performanceGoal = 227 - 180 = 47
Next Part Tiberal

Tiberal Value (180) > performanceGoal -> Next Part Metal D
Metal D Value (90) > performanceGoal -> Next Part Arillium

List -> Gamonin, Gamonin, Trisol, Strastin, Tiberal, Arillium
performanceGoal = 47 - 45 = 2
Next Part Arillium

ArilliumValue (45) > performanceGoal -> Next Part Meritium
Meritium Value (30) > performanceGoal -> Next Part Solantium
Solantium Value (15) > performanceGoal -> No next Part in List -> End

=>
Parts = Gamonin, Gamonin, Trisol, Strastin, Tiberal, Arillium

Partlists
Of course you need the basePrize and the PartLists to do this calculation.

Chems:
Gamonin(5760), Adiclovin(2880), Trisol(1440), Strastin(720), Tripantol(360), Tiberal(180), Metal D(90), Arillium(45), Meritium(30), Solantium(15)
Weapon Mod Parts:
Tangent WeaponMod Part Reg.# D11H6/MOD-10(7680), each part below halfs the prize
Implant Parts:
BioTech Implant Part Reg.# 222-DKIH6-J(76800), each part below halfs the prize
Weapon Parts:
Tangent Weaponpart 10(38400), each part below halfs the prize
Vehicle Component:
NExT Vehicle Component 10(512000), each part below halfs the prize
Vehicle Componentparts:
NExT Vehicle Componentpart 10(102400), each part below halfs the prize
Medical Substances:
ProtoPharm Medical Substance 10(7680), each part below halfs the prize
Armor Parts:
Tangent Armorpart 10(76800), each part below halfs the prize

What’s it worth

Mighty Max — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:46:58 +0000

While it is often very difficult to tell how much credits an item is worth for any runner, it is a very fix thin for other things in Neocron.

To find out what you’ll get from the trader or which items you need to construct Neocron uses the ‘baseprice’ field in the item database. This field is left open for the most things. Here i want to show you how the baseprice is calculated when this field is empty (filled with a 0).

The price is calculated independend between item types:

Normal weapons
basePrize = 200 + TechLevel * 800
Discardable weapons (Grenades, Drones, etc)
basePrize = 25 + TechLevel * 100
Ammo
basePrize = 10 + TechLevel
Implant, Armor
basePrize = 100 + TechLevel * 600
Everything else
This one is easy. It’s simply worth nothing (for the friendly NPC Trader)
basePrize = 0

What is this of use? If you go to your local trader, you will nowhere see the basePrize but some value dependend on it and your char’s very own barter and int skill.
If you want an item to be build from an blueprint the basePrize jumps in again. It determinates what parts you will need to get first.

Neocron resistance calculation and how it really works - Part III

Mighty Max — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:10:19 +0000

Reduction for resistance skills (other then PSI)
The resistance skills only work slight different to the PSI.

Instead of applying to all damage types caused by PSI they work allways but only for their own damage type.

The formular is the same (except for the multiplier)
- Resistance < 75:
  The reduction % is calculated as (Resistance / 75.0) * 0.7 * 0.52 * 100
- Resistance R >= 75:
  The reduction % is calculated as (pow((Resistance -75) * 0.03125, 0.666) * 0.3 + 0.7) * 0.52 * 100
These values are hard-capped at 70%
This cap is reached at 176.2 Resistance Skill
Putting that all together
Some players think that the resistance% are just added, but this is not the case. (And neither are the reduction points added, but that is just a difference in the roundings)
In order to calculate the final resistance values, the seperate resistanc% are transformed into a damage factor:

DamageFactor = 1 - Resistance%/100

The complete damage factor (prior to class cap) is then done as

DamageFactorPsi * DamageFactorShields * DamageFactorArmor * DamageFactorSkill

Because of the caps in the seperate Damage Factors, the best you can get is 0.7 * 0.15 * 0.5 * 0.3 = 0.01575.
So prior to capping the characterclass limit you will get at best to 98.425% reduction.

In the last step the characterclass cap is applied to keep the maximum reachable resistance between 75% and 92%
What is still missing?
While i am pretty sure on the given values and modifiers i am not quite sure if i missed a factor in the process, and i am constantly trying to catch those errors (If there’s work done, there are errors done as well)

Some of them were corrected at the time i wrote this down, as some values were a bit unbelieveable in the extrapolation.

So if you see mistakes by comparing and finding a discrepancy or having reasonable doubts about them, please tell me and i will investigate this part again and check if i have read or interpretated something wrong.

And at the very end: don’t forget to have fun. Numbers are not everything and it is often much more enjoyable to let 5 be even.
Have fun!

Neocron resistance calculation and how it really works - Part II

Mighty Max — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:22:15 +0000

Let’s continue with a mystery

Effect of shields: Absorber, Deflector, Protector
Shields come in handy espacially for a PPU. They are capable to reduce the damage up to 85%, just how that is calculated seemed a mystery till now:

Each of the shields only effects two damage types but they are also effected by the very same damage types themself
The ShieldRawDamage is just calculated like RawDamage is done for a weapon

ShieldRawDamage = WeaponTypeEffect * WeaponEffect * dmg%/100
(You can watch this value in the damage.log if you have turned logging on)

The WeaponTypeEffect for the most direct-cast Shields (such as group or plain Deflector) is in Patch #168 fixed to 2304.0 and the WeaponEffect ranges from about 0.3 to 1.5.

Here is a hard-cap: Whenever the ShieldRawDamage exceeds 4096 it is cut down to that value.
That means whenever you can cast shields with a damage value above 4096 don’t bother for more dmg% for the shield% … it won’t change anything.

For a TL100 Rare deflector this limit is reached at 4096 / WeaponEffect / WeaponTypeEffect = 123.5% which is a fairly low value.

With the capped ShieldRawDamage we have now the maximum influence a single Shield can have.
This influence is now reduced depending on the damage that you are going to take:

ShieldCorrectedDamage = ShieldRawDamage - **classified ** *(RawDamageTypeA + RawDamageTypeB)

Where the RawDamageTypeA and B are the raw damage values of the two damagetype the shield is good for.

From that ShieldCorrectedDamage the resistance percentage is created for a PPU and any other different:
- For a PPU:
  ShieldReduction% = ShieldCorrectedDamage **classified **(85)
- For a others:
  ShieldReduction% = ShieldCorrectedDamage **classified **(30)
The shields efficiency is after that all capped to 85%
With that in mind, you will - as a PPU - reach this cap for a 200dmg hit (split into 100+100 for both damage types) with ShieldRawDamage. If you are again using the TL 100 Rare Deflector you reach this limit with 109% in the weapons damage info.
Reduction for armor
Armor caclulation is quite simple.
You need to get the armor amount first, there are 4 regions that are used: Head, Torso, Legs and AllAtOnce. For Head, Torso or Legs just sum up all armor values for the caused damage type up on that body part. For AllAtOnce do sum it up for Head, Torso and Legs and build the middle.

Armor that covers multiple regions would be counted multiple times for the AllAtOnce region.

Once you have got the RawArmorValue you can calculate the resistance as

ArmorResistance% = SquareRoot(RawArmorValue / 255) * 50

The armor resistance is capped to 50%, meaning that you would cap armor at 255 if you could get to it.
Right now i am not quite sure if the factor 50 and the 50% cap is constant or probably one of the “Stellschrauben”. There are some hints that point me towards it beeing a changeable thing.

Some info’s were hidden by me behind ** classified ** tags as I am not really sure if it is a good idea to post them completely. All char dependend factors influencing them are given.

Neocron resistance calculation and how it really works - Part I

Mighty Max — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:51:42 +0000

The resistance calculations are one central point in Neocron, but beside the nearings in NSkill not much is really known about it.
For NSkill 2 we are trying to get a better understanding of the formulae used in neocron, and naturaly this includes the way how the damage reductions are done in detail.

Calculation of the raw damage value
- Each weapontype has a definition which damagetype and how much of that damage will be caused - relatively. This value will be refered as “WeaponTypeEffect” in the following.
- Each weapon has a link to the weapontype and a constant modifier that defines how strong that weapon is within this weapontype, this value will be refered as “WeaponEffect”
- Depending on the character skills and the itemstats a “ItemDamagePercent” is calculated that shows the effectiveness of the specific item. This is the same dmg% shown in the info dialog (allthough containing the hidden decimal fractions)
With this information we can calculate the raw damage a player will do on instant damages:

RawDamage = WeaponTypeEffect * WeaponEffect * dmg%/100
First possible reduction: PSI Resistance
If the damage cause was a PSI module, then (and only then) the damage will be reduced dependend on the PSI-Resistance skill of the victim. So far so known.

The formular used for this reduction is split into two cases (I will refer the result as SkillEffect)
- PSR < 75:
  The reduction % is calculated as (PSR / 75.0) * 0.7 * 0.3 * 100
- PSR >= 75:
  The reduction % is calculated as (pow((PSR-75) * 0.03125, 0.666) * 0.3 + 0.7) * 0.3 * 100
This SkillEffect is hard-capped at 30%
With PSR = 107 (*) the SkillEffect reaches 30% the first time. Any more points spent in to this skill have absolutely no effect for resisting PSI.

So that the damage after the first reduction will be
RawDamage * (1.0 - SkillEffect/100)

(*) because in reverse : pow((30 / (100 * 0.3) - 0.7) / 0.3 , 1/0.666) / 0.03125 + 75 = 107

:edit: the PSR Formular >= 75 corrected (transfered faulty from script)
Thanks for pointing that out spiro
:edit: Updated the formular again with something i had overseen.

Item GFX Evolution angekündigt

Mighty Max — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:25:34 +0000

Vor über 4 Jahren erschien ein kleines Tool, dass es den Spielern von Neocron ermöglichte eigene Icons für Gegenstände in Neocron zu entwerfen und zu verwenden und Gegenstände, die ursprünglich die gleichen Icons nutzten auf den ersten Blick unterscheidbar zu machen. (z.B. Recycle/Salvage-Tools, Waffen-Mods etc)

So brachten einige Nutzer Grafiken hervor, die noch heute verwendet werden.
Maarten “Eagle” Tops’s Grafiken für die PSI Module und Bone-Implantate sind noch heute im Inventar zu bewundern.

Mit einem Eintrag von aKe`cj im Neocron Brainport: Eure Ideen, Vorschläge und Wünsche hat bei mir das Grübeln über das alte Ding wieder begonnen. Gemäß den RoC(*) brauchte ich jedoch die Genehmigung von KK, um damit zu beginnen.

Nun … ich hab ein OK bekommen damit zu beginnen und daher möchte ich euch den ersten frühen Teaser-Screen präsentieren … ja ich bin ein mieser GFXer, aber vielleicht kann die Community ja wieder kreativ zusamenarbeiten und Neocron gemeinsam voran bringen.

Coming soon ….

(*) Um Missverständnissen vorzubeugen: Die Software wird ein 3rd-Party Produkt (meines) sein, ReaKKtor Media ist nicht mit dieser Software assoziiert. Die Genehmigung bezieht sich lediglich auf §17 der Verhaltensregeln zu Neocron.

Andere Features, die das alte ItemGFX besaß werden nicht wiederbelebt.